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Friday, August 18, 2006

Elliott Sadler: Liar, Liar... Pants on fire

Sometimes in order to get a clearer picture of an individual, one must take a step back and take a long look at the past. Sadly though, when it comes to the "Southern Gentleman', one only has to look back a few months to understand the web of deception that surrounds Mr. Sadler.






Flashback less than 4 months ago


April 27, 2006 SADLER HAVING A WANDERING EYE?
"When Sadler arrived at Yates, he said it was a dream job, perhaps a lifetime job. And now? He's not so sure. Sources say Sadler is talking to other team owners looking for a deal."

On the surface, the speculation concerning Sadler is innocent and even justifiable. After all, the 38 was not running like it had the past year and there were some key personnel changes at RYR.



April 29, 2006 “IM HERE TO STAY”
“You just can’t change a team overnight. It’s going to be a long process. I’m here to stay at Robert Yates. I can’t see myself going anywhere."

The twisted web of untruthfulness begins.



May 4, 2006 SADLER HOPE JARRETT STAY AT RYR
“I just told him to keep me out of it. I don’t want to know about it. I want to find out when everybody else does that way I won’t get into trouble. If he stays that great, I would love to keep him as a teammate and love to keep him at Robert Yates Racing. If he goes I’d hate to lose him as a teammate but still I’m going to keep him as one of my best friends. I want to be there as a friend first, but if he decides to stay I definitely want to be his teammate again."


Even though there is the persistent talk in the garage that Sadler is talking to other owners, the Southern Gentleman is still toeing the company line.



May 22, 2006 SADLER SIGNED WITH RYR TILL 2008
a Robert Yates Racing representative confirmed that Sadler is under contract with the team, through the end of the 2008 season


Just a friendly reminder about integrity. The press understood that this fact was important.



May 25, 2006 SADLER SAYS HE IS STAYING PUT AT RYR, CONFIRMS ‘OUT’ IN CONTRACT
While saying there is an out in his contract if he wished to exercise it, Elliott Sadler said Thursday he has no intention of leaving Robert Yates Racing.

"I'm not unhappy; I'm just frustrated with the way we've been running. That is two different scenarios. There's a difference in being unhappy and being frustrated. I'm frustrated just because I want to run good."

"I've been reading stuff about, 'Contract this and contract that,' and I haven't even looked at my contract. I don't think that's important. Yes, I do have an out if I want an out, but who cares? I want to get this team running. My responsibility is to put that 38 car up front each and every week."

"I plan to come back. I think it's my duty."



The untruthfulness just gets bigger and bigger. And more importantly is the date, less than two months from his actual release date from RYR. Who is Sadler trying to dupe here? Is he honestly thinking that he can convince people that in less than 60 days the situation went from 'DUTY' to 'PACK YOUR BAGS'?



June 17, 2006 SADLER LOOKING TO LEAVE RYR?
Elliott Sadler has let it be known he isn't happy in the team's No. 38 car and appears to be looking for a way out, especially after teammate Dale Jarrett accepted a Toyota pension for 2007, with Michael Waltrip.


So three weeks after the 'I'm not unhappy' quote, now it appears that Sadler is laying the seed to bolt. What ever happened to 'You just can’t change a team overnight. It’s going to be a long process. I’m here to stay at Robert Yates'. Again this just show that Sadler in his life has never really had to work for anything, and when things look the least bit bleak, he will do his best to find a way out. There is nothing wrong with a little hard work, it brings much satisfaction. But I guess getting your fingernails a little dirty is not for a Southern Gentleman.



June 19, 2006 YATES SAYS THAT SADLER HAS SAID NOTHING ABOUT BEING UNHAPPY AND WANT TO LEAVE RYR
Robert Yates denied Internet reports that Elliott Sadler is unhappy and wants out of his contract to drive the #38 Ford that runs through 2008. "That's not what he's telling me. That's all I can really say. I guess the grandstand can start speculating anything. So far, he hasn't communicated that with me yet."


So its mid June, and according to the owner, there has been no dialogue between Sadler and Robert. This really would be a non-issue, until one listens to the EVERNHAM/SADLER press conference. (See below)




July 14, 2006 SADLER DENIES HAVE ANY CONTACT WITH RAY EVERNHAM
Sadler denied he had had any negotiations with Evernham, and he has a year left on his contract with Yates. He admitted he had had a long talk with Yates this week at the Indianapolis tests.

"I have not made my decision on what I want to do next year. Can I tell you something different in two or three weeks? Maybe. Right now, I need to concentrate on what we're doing here. I owe it to my sponsors. I owe it to Robert and Doug."


So Sadler finally talks with Robert, and expresses his desire to leave in Mid-July (remember this date). Based in his past non-truthfulness, why deny talking to Evernham. Sadler used this same spin in '02, when he bolted from the Wood Brothers, and eventually signed with Yates.



July 14, 2006 SADLER ADMITS TO TALKING TO OTHER TEAMS BUT DENIES TALKING TO EVERNHAM
Sadler denied that he's had discussions with Evernham or anybody from Evernham Motorsports about leaving Robert Yates Racing, but admitted there have been discussions with other teams. "You'd be surprised at how many cars will open up next year,.”
“I don't know anything about a deadline or day. Right now, I want to focus on that No. 38 car. I really want to get one more win in it."


Key phrase, 'one more win'. Sadler, for the first time admits his desire to leave RYR, one way or another.



July 20, 2006 SADLER GETS RELEASE FROM RYR
Robert Yates Racing (RYR) announced today that driver Elliott Sadler has requested and been granted a release from his contract to take effect at the conclusion of the 2006 season.


The shopping spree begins? Or is this just the final phase of a carefully orchestrated plan?



July 22, 2006 SADLER SAYS HE HAS MULTIPLE CHOICES
"I couldn't really make myself buy into the system and which way I think the company is going. So we just decided to split ways and do something different."

Sadler said he's entertaining multiple offers at this point. "There are a lot more seats open than there are drivers available, I think. That's what caught me off this week with some of the phone calls I got. I'm not in a hurry to try to make a decision. I have no timelines."



The justifications and excuses begin. It is like deja vu, all over again! Just as Sadler did in '02 with the Wood Brothers lacking the 'chemistry' and didn't like the direction the team was going.



August 16, 2006 SADLER SIGNS WITH EVERNHAM
Sadler, who signed a long-term contract to drive the No. 19 Dodge.


"Long term' contract, which means nothing to the Southern gentleman.



Now in order to go full circle with the untruthfulness and spin from the Southern Gentleman, one needs to talk a look at the EVERNHAM/SADLER press conference.

August 16, 2006 SADLER /EVERNHAM PRESS CONFERENCE
"We actually started talking to Elliott probably in July when we were looking at trying to put a fourth team together. We started to communicate back and forth what his future plans were. Again, he was under contract with Yates and we didn't have a place to put him at that time, so we initially started looking at what we could do in the future with our fourth program."


For this to be the truth, the Sadler/Evernham conversations would have had to begin between July 14th (Sadler denies talking to Evernham above) and July 20th (RYR gives Sadler his release). That’s less than one week, and a week that included a race weekend. Could it have happened then? Sure it could, but there is one problem. Evernham said that talk begin when he was looking at a 4th team, this was going in late June, and early July. Remember Evernham was very interested in developing his ARCA program to a fourth cup team. 'Erin-gate' was much before the July 14th date sited above.


SADLER YATES AGREED TO SPLIT MONTHS AGO
"We just decided a couple of months ago that we were going to split ways. I talked with some other teams, not only Ray”


Now the date Sadler said this was August 16th, and the time period that Sadler and Robert 'finally' talked was during the Indy test season week, which was held on July 10 thru July 12th. So if the 'Southern Gentleman' and Robert had truly agreed to part ways then, why the denials of talking to Evernham, along with the other teams?

Then there is the final blow concerning the twisted web that the 'Southern Gentleman' has woven. A very innocent post on his Fan Club Message Board from his PR/Spotter.

August 17, 2006PLAN IN PLACE FOR MONTHS
“The last few months have been very busy -- evaluating situations, making decisions and executing the plan”


Key word is MONTHS (plural), not the last few weeks, like the 'Southern gentleman' has been claiming. The web begins to unravel.

One can just hope that Sadler enjoys this spin, when his seat begins to get hot in the 19, but then agian, his pants are already on fire.!

50 comments:

Anonymous said...

Wow, when it is all layed out like that, it is pretty damning!

Rick said...

The best set of lies since, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

Anonymous said...

How can someone who is SOOOOOO CUUUUTE, lie like that?

I could just listen to those lies with that accent all night long!!!

Couldn't you?

Altusian said...

This article at NASCAR.com http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/headlines/cup/08/18/jmayfield_revernham/index.html has this interesting little paragraph:

According to the court documents, Evernham and Cagle met in June to discuss the relationship between Evernham and Mayfield.

During that meeting, the documents said Evernham planned to sign Sadler but assured Mayfield it was to drive a fourth team and not the No. 19.


So, according to the timeline, Sadler was indeed discussing this BEFORE he was released from Yates.

Elliott needs to keep his facts straight.

Anonymous said...

Excellent Job Phil

"Elliott needs to keep his facts straight."

That would mean he would have to tell the truth, something I think he is incapable of doing. Personally my opinion is that he wanted to get Yates to let him go, so he wouldn't be labelled as a "contract breaker" he has done it twice now. His sponsor was disgusted by his behavior, imagine shagging the Ho's (myspace)while you are representing a candy maker, which is predominantly geared to children You only have to look at his behavior and his appearance, his attitude to know he was just sticking in the Yates faces, daring them to fire him. He just seems incapable of being an "adult" , he allows Brett to make insane decisions for him, his 'mommy' runs the message board, his brother gets his so-called fame from hanging on Elliotts coat tails......please the guy is a walking, non-thinking calamity.

He should rest in peace, he got what he wanted, and personally I hope he falls flat on his face......anyone want to take bets on how long before he starts whining about Kasey getting the best equipment, or how "he's not unhappy, just doesn't agree with which Ray wants the team to go in" Braindead and still walking!!

Senor Cheeseburger said...

Who?

stan hall said...

Now Sadler is trying to convince people that he told M&Ms to stay with RYR? What a joke, I wonder what the folks at MasterFoods have to say about that.

Marla said...

Hey, Phil!

Long time no talk to!

How you doing, bud?

(gee, some things never seem to change! LOL!)

okla21fan said...

Hey there Marla,
Yes it has been a while hasn't it? Hope things are doing better for you!

Looking at my Counter Stats, I see that someone has posted a link from here to a Nascar.com board. Is that you found me? If so, I just may have to take a look see over there.

Be good!

Marla said...

No, not me, but you should check it out! The NASCAR board seems to have a lot of action on it.

So, let me get this straight. Sadler said he wasn't going to leave, and all the while he was planning on leaving. Sounds familiar!

I tried logging on to the Sadler Fan Club board. What happened there? That used to be a great site. I sent you an email to catch up on all of the old times.

Cheyenne said...

It's like any other job. You start a new one, you don't like it or it's not what you thought so you move on. Those that stay are the ignorant ones and losers. Would you stay at a job that didn't turn out to be what it was supposed to be? Really...if the owner/team can't give you a good car, then it's time to bail.
Don't you think all dlrivers do the same thing, just to keep the media from going haywire? Once the media latches onto something as far as NASCAR is concerned, there is no let up and they start making things up to boot. No, I am sorry, I do not think any less of Elliott than before I read all this stuff.

Anonymous said...

Who are any of you to judge Elliott Sadler? Where is it written that he has to be accountable to anyone but himself? It is none of your business what he did or said when it comes to changing teams or anything else. I'm sure Earnhardt, Gordon and the other golden boys have never mislead people in their life. Why don't you all get off of Elliott's back and get a life of your own. Being that I am defending him, I also see no chance of this being published, so thanks for your fairness in letting people speak their minds.

EP said...

Anonymous,
It was WRITTEN in his contract for starters. Sadler is a liar and a tool and this blog exposed that just by reviewing what Sadler said himself. Now with the Mayfield/Evernham deal being a matter of court record, the Sadler lies are a part of that as well.

And jusr by me reading your comment, it looks like you were wrong aswell about having a fair place to express opinion, just what do you think this place is, SFC? I am a member there, and if you want censorship, that is the place for you. The pod people there would just love you.

and Cheyenne, you have never signed a legal document statement a time period you wish to offer your services to a company, have you? I'm thinking the had the roles been reversed and RYR had fired Sadler, the little whiny boy's first words would have been, 'But I have a contract!' And lastly, I see somewhere else you claimed that your husband has known Sadler since they were kids, well if that is the case, you might want to keep a close eye on your husband, as the Sadler influence is not one that promotes a stable marriage.

Jeff said...

Anyone that feels the need to apologize or make excuses for Mr. Sadler's actions might want to rethink their priorities. It is all in black and white.

nice blog

Anonymous said...

Opinions......everyone has one......Usually putting down someone else makes us feel better about ourselves......All I have to say is until you are in his shoes and understand all of the red tape that is behind the scenes you are never going to understand why things happened the way they did....Have you ever told a lie?

Angela said...

I am shocked and disheartened by this. I can't believe someone has this much time on their hands to sit and put all this on a timeline with Elliott's "word" and actions. Must be a hard life in Texas...
I also agree that until you have walked a mile in his shoes, then you should keep your nasty comments to yourself.
Driving is a JOB! Just like when you decide you don't like your job, you quit. He did too. I doubt if you in his shoes and under constant scrutiny form legit reporters and people like yourself, you would not be out letting everyone know your business decisions either.
Elliott was probably instructed not to say ANYTHING about Evernham until Jeremy's situation was taken care of. What did you really want him to do. Any other driver would do the same thing.
So get off your high horse and give the man a break.

Rick said...

Angela,
Before continuing with your attempt of attacking the writer,

go look up Websters

con‧tract  /n., adj., and usually for v. 15–17, 21, 22 ˈkɒntrækt; otherwise v. kənˈtrækt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[n., adj., and usually for v. 15–17, 21, 22 kon-trakt; otherwise v. kuhn-trakt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. an agreement between two or more parties for the doing or not doing of something specified.
2. an agreement enforceable by law.
3. the written form of such an agreement.


Don't sign one of those, unless you plan on living up to it, a fulfilling it completely. Elliot is 2 for 2 in breaking contracts in his short Cup career. not showing much integrity huh?

Angela said...

Rick, why don't you call up Yates and ask what kinda OUT Elliott had in his contract!

Anonymous said...

Obviously the writer of this blog is self-employed and has never had to "keep quiet" about leaving one job for another. As far as I am concerned, the only thing Elliott did wrong was talk too much. Then again, he's an extravert, which makes it nearly impossible for him to keep his mouth shut. Extraverts naturally talk without thinking. (See Myers-Brigg Personality Typing)

About breaking the contract with Yates, the one at fault, by their own admission, are the Yates. Robert Yates came out and openly admitted that their contracts were full of loopholes. All Elliott did was capitalize on the gap in his contract, and I can't say that I wouldn't have made the same decision.

Anonymous said...

Elliott is a true gentleman unlike the person that started this blog. Other drivers are leaving their teams also. So why not stir up some crap on their names too! It's too bad you all feel the need to jump to conclusions and try to make Elliott look bad. All I can say is GET A FREAKIN LIFE!

Marla said...

Phil! Status quo here, huh? After 6 years nothing changes.

For you posters who think this writer has nothing better to do than pick on poor little Sadler, why do his blogs have other subjects, like LOST and OU Football? Now, in my opinion, he is wasting his energy on supporting that losing team. (Hook em 'Horns!)(Not to mention the time wasted on painting a little kiddie wagon! And in LOWES colors! I could SWEAR from that alone the world is coming to an end!)

And it does not take time to go to Jayski and copy and paste. For heavens sake, if you have a LOGICAL response, come up with something other than 'do you have nothing better to do than this?" After all, many Sadler fans have nothing better to do than to gush praise over someone who supposedly is just human and subject to human failings, but gosh is just a Darn Nice Guy!

And speaking of judging, we do that all the time! Many of you anonymous folks have been on this bloggers case to stop judging him, and yet you so automatically assume he is self-employed, never worked under a contract and that it is none of his business. You have judged him because you want to think badly of him. Your guesses as to his employment are wrong. Too bad you are too PREJUDICED (from the root of PRE JUDGE) to see that you are doing exactly what you accuse him of doing. And, it is just as much his business as it is YOURS.

I see a challenge that this will never get posted. And wow, there it is! (so much for the pre-judging deal!)

And for the sake of really getting on a soapbox, just because Elliott had a 'legal' out, it does not mean he was morally doing the right thing. I keep wishing we could go back to where a man could shake someone's hand, and it could be considered valid. Now,a signature and a shake of the hand means SOMEONE is getting stroked!

But then again, it is really easy to hide behind 'anonymous'.
If you 'anons' really have courage, post your email addy. Mine is marla29_38@hotmail.com. Do you pro-sadler 'anons' have the same courage? Can't wait to see! (But I have no real hope!)

Have a nice day!

EP said...

Hey!!!!

if you were to read this guy's other blogs you would know he has been a longer time fan of Sadler than anyone from the PORN QUEEN borad.

go to his main page and read and learn a few things

Long live Ford!

Marla said...

What? PORN Queens?

Oh no, please tell me you are not talking about those so-called Fan Fiction writers? Are they still struggling to live out their fantasies? Didn't they figure out how Elliott and Brett REALLY feel about them at our Kansas race a few years ago? Ok, I am ROFLMAO!

Ah, I am sure Mr. "I am such a chick magnet" Griffen spun something to make PQ's feel better. Now THERE is a chance to judge someone by the folks that they keep around them!

Anonymous said...

Way to go Marla! I applaud you. Only thing is you people are judging Elliott Sadler and none of you have ever taken the time to get to know him either. What about the other drivers bailing from their teams? The one good thing in this world is the fact we're ALL entitled to our opinions. You that hate Elliot have yours, and us that are TRUE and LOYAL fans have ours. THAT'S LIFE, GET USED TO IT!

Marla said...

"you people?"

YOU PEOPLE?

LMFAO! I have been pre-judged!


You ASSUMED I hated Sadler. I really don't. I am not for him or against him! I don't have the same passion about him that you do. I am just amused by all of your reactions.

Phil, have fun!

Rick said...

An "out" in the contract? Sadler made that a non issue months ago. Just another Sadler lie I guess, and validates the blogger's opinion once again.

"I've been reading stuff about, 'Contract this and contract that,' and I haven't even looked at my contract. I don't think that's important. Yes, I do have an out if I want an out, but who cares? I want to get this team running. My responsibility is to put that 38 car up front each and every week."

"I plan to come back. I think it's my duty."


Elliott Sadler, May 25th 2006

Sadler is still 2 for 2 in breaking an agreement with his car owner, now thats a man with integrity!

Anonymous said...

You girls still don't get it. The other drivers changing teams (DJ, Mears, Vickers) are the end END of their contracts and are not breaking anything to move. They are free agents. Elliott is the ONLY driver in silly season to ask out of his deal to move. And it's his 2nd time doing it. Find me another driver that asked out of his contract to change teams in this sport. There hasn't been one that I can think of in many years.

Rick said...

"That's the whole thing about all of this bull---- going around here. I haven't broken any contracts."

Dale Jarrett July 25th, 2006

Even Sadler's team-mate knew that backing out of a contract was wrong, whether there was an out or not. The more the Sadler apologists speak out, the worse it looks for Sadler.

Anonymous said...

Unless you ARE Elliott Sadler, I really think that you should just keep your nose out of his personal business. Of course he was going to tell the press that he wasn't looking, leaving, etc., until he had finalized everything with Yates & Evernham. Who are you to criticize how the situation was handled? If you quit your job do you plan on telling the whole world about it before you tell your boss??? I was a Sadler fan while he was in the #38 & I'll continue to be a Sadler fan while he's in the #19 (or whatever team he would race for in the future!) I'd take a "Southern Gentleman" like Elliott Sadler anyday over a hypocritical person like you!

Anonymous said...

To everyone who is criticizing Elliott for breaking his contract:

The contract he had with Yates had an "out" written into it for the owner, driver or sponsor, for any reason. Robert Yates didn't like it & that is part of the reason why the GM was fired. But, with that out, Elliott could legally get out of his contract before the end of 2008. Everything he did was by-the-book & fully within the rights of the contract he had with Yates. By the way - I'm an attorney who works with contracts.

Anonymous said...

This is a pile of crock. You have twisted things around just to benefit yourself and make ppl come to your blog. This blog was posted on NOL and I had to LAUGH when I read what you posted.

Here are some quotes from an interview with Robert Yates dated July 24, 2006 entitled "Yates not giving up on faith after team's departures" on Nascar dot com.

"The facts, Yates said Friday at Pocono Raceway, are the deal Jarrett got from Michael Waltrip Racing and Toyota was too good to pass up.

• The facts, he said, are Sadler began thinking about a change last year when Jamie McMurray told him how much money he got to move from Chip Ganassi Racing to Roush Racing.

• The facts, he said, are it was a mistake to allow former general manager Eddie D'Hondt to write a contract so poorly that Sadler had an easy out and that he offered Sadler more money to stay.

• The facts, he said, are he needs to be more involved in the engine program and allow son, Doug, to take over the day-to-day ownership duties.

• The facts, he said, are he never considered selling and can't wait for the day when RYR is on top again.

Yates wasn't surprised when Sadler came to him this week and asked to be released from the final two years of his contract.

"When Jamie McMurray told him how much money he was going to make he's been strung out since then," Yates said. "It's got him so unfocused.

"That's just my opinion. I'm sure he doesn't feel that way, but that's when I noticed it."

Sadler said leaving had more to do with performance and the direction of the organization.

One of the concerns he and Jarrett had were the lack of engineers. Jarrett said RYR has six full-time engineers compared to 15 to 20 for some of the more successful organizations.

"I just have a different opinion on which way the sport is going than those guys did," Sadler said. "I couldn't really make myself buy into the system and which way I think the company is going."

Sadler declined to speculate on reports that he's headed to the No. 19 Dodge at Evernham Motorsports.

"I know there's a lot of speculation and stuff, but as of right now I do not have a ride for next year," he said.

Yates said Sadler's contract was written too vague, referring to a clause that allowed either side to break the deal if the team didn't perform. Sadler, who hasn't won a race since 2004, is 20th in points.

"I didn't like the contract," Yates said. "It wasn't written by a professional."

Yates also didn't like the philosophical differences he had with the writer, who was fired a few months ago. One of the differences involved D'Hondt wanting to develop drivers in lower series.

"He wanted to pretty much follow Jack Roush's deal," Yates said. "The difference between Jack and myself is he could do numbers. I'm a one-track mind and he's a multiple-track deal. I can't focus on so many different things."

Yates isn't sure he wants to focus on NASCAR full time. He hinted there may be another job outside the sport, perhaps in Washington, that would allow him to develop better engines and fuel alternatives for the entire automotive industry.

"There is one other job that I would love to have other than what I do," he said. "I've got a great fallback. The other job, if I get it, you'll write about me a lot more than you do for this job.

"This sport can contribute so much to the whole world and the way we think and the way we use energy. We really need somebody pushing that deal."

Meanwhile, Yates will do his best to return RYR to the top.

"Everybody talks about a few bumps in the road," Yates said. "Well, I expected that. What kills you are those Waltrips."

It's right there in black and white with Robert saying Elliott came to him LAST year and told him he wasn't happy. Maybe money was a big issue. Maybe he felt Robert wasn't paying him enough but the article also says Elliott was unhappy with the way the organization was going and DJ was too apparently.

As far as Elliott not acknowledging he was talking to Ray, there were alot of factors involved. First, Jeremy still had a job with Ray. Secondly, he and Ray were probably still discussing pay, benefits, etc. Thirdly, he was probably still trying to talk things out with Robert. Forthly, when you are looking for a job and someone gets wind you are looking, you don't go around and make that public knowledge. That's the BEST way to lose the job you currently have. Sometimes negotiations do not work out as you planned. It has happened to me before. I decided to be upfront with my boss and tell him I was looking. We had an office manager who was over everyone, including the bosses. The office mgr asked him if I was looking for another job. She had gotten wind of it somehow. He told her I was. She became VERY nasty with me and marched in one day and asked me when my last day was. Only problem was, I wasn't leaving. Me and my "future job prospect" could not agree on the salary. They wanted to pay me $4.50 less an hr than what I was currently making so I declined the job. My office mgr made my life hell for 2 months, until I found another job. So.. I don't fault Elliott whatsoever in not admitting he was looking elsewhere.

EP said...

Nice "Anonymous", but in your attempt to remedy the situation, you only inforced the notion that Sadler was indeed not telling the truth all along and that those "lies" can now be traced as far back to last year.

your last statement tells it all. You don't fault Elliott for "looking aswell", many times when asked by the press, it is better to just say 'i am not going to comment on that right now" and move on. The blogger is only pointing out that Elliott was not being truthful when asked specific questions concerning his dersire to leave RYR. You don't have to like that, but the facts speak for themselves.

Anonymous said...

Furthermore, if you're going to criticize Elliott for having such a contract and blaming HIM for a way out, wouldn't the fault also lie with Robert Yates who SIGNED the contract? Why is it that Robert didn't have a problem with the contract until now?

Things that make you say hmmmmmm....

I love the way ya'll read black and white. Read the article I posted with the quotes from Yates who said Elliott came to him LAST YEAR. Now who's the liar?

Anonymous said...

First of all, ep, I am anonymous because I do not have a username and clicked on the first thing that made sense to me. I am not afraid to post my username which is Moosie244819.

Secondly, I never said I didn't fault Elliot for looking "aswell" but rather I said "looking elsewhere".

Elliott didn't have to say "no comment". How many times has a person said no comment and it was assumed no comment meant it was the truth? For that matter, Robert could have said Elliott was looking to go to another team. So what if Elliott didn't admit up front he was looking. Like I posted earlier, things had not been finalized yet. You don't come public with something until it is finalized.

If you read what the blogger had written, you will see where he said "Robert denied reports Elliott said he was unhappy". The article from NOL said the opposite and said Elliott came to him last year. The article also says they are somewhat relieved now that DJ and Elliott are gone and they won't have to keep saying they are leaving. Therefore, this disproves the fact Elliott never mentioned he was unhappy and wanted to leave.

Like it or not...

EP said...

So if Sadler came "last year" and said he was unhappy, then he really was playing the part of the lair from his comments from June on of this year.

"I plan to come back. I think it's my duty."

Elliott Sadler, May 25th 2006

Moosie244819 said...

Oh, so since Elliott didn't clear it with you first, he's a liar? He didn't make it public because things weren't finalized. Maybe he wanted to see how things went this season. He and DJ both started out well early in the season and things went from there. I also recall Elliott saying this was a tough decision for him and how he was saddened to have to leave. It sounds to me like Elliott tried to make it work as long as he could but things were not improving. The article also says Elliott and Robert had a long talk. Robert might have told him then if he wanted to look elsewhere, to go ahead. I certainly remember many being surprised Jamie McMurray asked to get out of his contract and go to another team. Kurt Busch also asked to be released from his contract amidst rumors he was looking elsewhere.

Are you calling them liars for looking earlier than "announced"?

Moosie244819 said...

oh an ep, give my regards to jimbo and the other robby fans you can muster over here.

Jeff said...

More sunshine pumpers!

I guess its a good thing that Sadler's band wagon filled up about 3 years ago. If not, Elliott would have to go back to showing up to 'Wednesday chat' and stuff on SFC just for him to validate he even had any fans!

EGO is a terrible thing to waste! Especially when one only has one good season in eight to show for it.

Marla said...

Am I reading something wrong here? The long-winded post from another one of those anon types mentions that Elliott went to Robert last year. It does NOT say that in the quotes. What it DOES say is that Robert's OPINION was that was when Elliott became unhappy.

And with that, I will say again that just because a contract has a 'legal' out, does not mean that it is morally right to exercise that option.

Other drivers mentioned are indeed changing their teams. But every single one of them has not gotten out of the contract at the end of the contract date. (Even Busch and MacMurray had not planned on leaving until the end of their cotract.) When Sadler was with the Wood Brothers, he was in a contract through 2005, but asked for and granted his release for the beginning of the 2003 season. Then this time around, he signs with Yates in 2005, and gets out of it with 2 years remaining.

There is a real pattern there!

And again, the blogger's point is that Sadler was doing the infamous little 'side-step' to make himself look better than he is.

And moosie, so......you expected the blogger to not put up your post? Perhaps you wish to retract that on the NASCAR boards, Sweetie?

Anonymous said...

"One good season"? And which one might that be?

Just admit you're another one of those Robby fans with nothing else to do but pay for the SFC membership in order to find ways to ghost post and vote for Robby for Trackpass. Come on! Isn't that what this REALLY is about? You Robby fans can't stand the fact Elliott talks funny, has 38 dogs and is STILL ahead of Robby in the point standings.

Moosie244819

Anonymous said...

Marla, how can Robert know when Elliott becomes unhappy if Elliott doesn't come to him a year ago and TELL him, honey? Do you read minds as well as Robert does? I sincerely hope not.

Maybe you and your other Robby fans need to get a life along with your pal, Phil here who I say Elliott is better off NOT having as a fan. << smooch >>

Marla said...

Moosie....you do not know what you are talking about, unless, Phil? Have you become a Robby fan? I am having enough of a problem with the Jimmie Johnson thing, but a Robby fan too?

I think that you must have Phil confused with someone else. Phil was posting at the SFC back when there was NO closed board, and there were only about 25 posters total. Unlike you, who came in to complain about the vote, but haven't paid your 15 bucks to join. Or have you?

Sheesh, and where in this blog did Robby's name ever come up, except by you! Look up the definition of paranoia, please. It sounds like you keep finding Robby fans are torturing you in every part of your life. Try thinking past that, and realize that just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are automatically out to get you. I hear the little blue pills will help that!

Jeff said...

That would be the 2004 season (probably your first season as a Sadler fan) and the only time he has made the stage in NYC.

In 8 seasons, Sadler averages finishing position in Driver Points: 20th.

you do the math. And who give a rats about Robbie, he is another hack.

Marla said...

Marla, how can Robert know when Elliott becomes unhappy if Elliott doesn't come to him a year ago and TELL him,

Hindsight?

Gee now you are making assumptions about what Robert is thinking.

Anonymous said...

So you're a Harvick fan instead of a Robby fan... same difference.. same rude, obnoxious people who post whatever they want and then talk about "morals and respect".

Phil's no longer a fan. So what? It seems you're a very big fan of his, no doubt. Maybe Phil didn't want to pay his $15 or maybe they took his M & Ms away from him. At any rate, I'm not losing sleep over a "former fan". I have seen too many fans post they are no longer following a driver for whatever reason. That's their problem.

Anonymous said...

Marla - I tried to post this yesterday but was receiving an error message through my browser. "Other drivers mentioned are indeed changing their teams. But every single one of them has not gotten out of the contract at the end of the contract date. (Even Busch and MacMurray had not planned on leaving until the end of their cotract.)"

Do your research again. Both Kurt and Jamie left BEFORE their contracts expired. Jamie had 1-year option left on his contract and at first Richard would not let him out of his contract. Secondly, Kurt had either 1 or 2 years left on his. Can't remember right now. Jack let him out of his contract as well. Contracts don't seem to mean much to drivers these days, not just Elliott.

And to answer your other question about the $15 SFC... I had problems and issues with the SFC myself. I'm sure YOU know all of this because you've been "lurking at Elliott's for months" as you told others. I had given my credit card information and had signed up to post on the boards. I posted off and on for a month. Then the boards were purged. I saw where the administrator said you may have to re-register and I did re-register times but could not post. I kept emailing and emailing them. Finally a month later, I received a response that you had to PAY for the membership in order to post. I had explained I had given my information. I checked my bank info and it was never deducted. I was very aggravated and decided I didn't need to post there. I have heard Elliott's family does his fan membership and web site stuff but I wasn't pleased with the way it was run.

Now let's talk about the words you have used at NOL and here about "respect, honesty and morals". You said this to me... "Try thinking past that, and realize that just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are automatically out to get you. I hear the little blue pills will help that!"

Your very first post addressed the "long-winded anon types" (which was about the 2nd reply after mine so I guess you were talking about me). In previous posts on here, you criticize posters for saying "you people" yet in the very first sentence of your post, you are already calling names and "judging" others. You then tell me about "little blue pills". It seems there is a bit of hypocrisy in your words. It's okay for you to be rude and attackful in YOUR posts yet you have the nerve to preach to others about morals, honesty, respect and pre-judging. That's a bit hypocritical, don't you think? Instead of pointing out the speck in your neighbor's eye, try removing the plank in your own eye. At any rate, don't preach to others about judging then begin YOUR posts attacking others and calling them "long-winded and anon". Practice what you preach, "Honey". If you want others to respect your opinion and your dear friend Phil's, then I strongly suggest you keep your name calling, sarcasm and rudeness to yourself, Deary.


As far as the "overlooking the Jimmie thing" in your post. I have no clue what you are referring to unless it's to Jimmie and Chad "cheating". Interesting seeing that you have a 29 in your username at NOL. Am I to assume you are a Harvick fan? Now, are you just "overlooking" Todd Barrier's admission that he not only and I quote "rigged the fuel cell and I'll do it again" or have you simply forgotten?

Moosie244819 - (Look, I'm not anonymous. I have a name. Happy now?)

Jamie said...

Wow for a bunch of his "fans" that posted how unimportant this blog and the blogger's opinion was, you guys sure do keep coming back to fight this point over and over.

Bottom line: for the "new" era of Sadler fans the on the track record is unimportant as long as he looks good in his driver suit that is all that counts. Seems a lot of these people, excuse me, females, showed up out of the blue in 2004.

Well for a lot of fans they like to see their driver win races. You know, compete. This is a competition on the track, not of the hair style of the week.

Marla said...

Moosie, I have taken the liberty to address your comments as you made them.



Marla - I tried to post this yesterday but was receiving an error message through my browser. "Other drivers mentioned are indeed changing their teams. But every single one of them has not gotten out of the contract at the end of the contract date. (Even Busch and MacMurray had not planned on leaving until the end of their cotract.)"

Do your research again. Both Kurt and Jamie left BEFORE their contracts expired. Jamie had 1-year option left on his contract and at first Richard would not let him out of his contract. Secondly, Kurt had either 1 or 2 years left on his. Can't remember right now. Jack let him out of his contract as well. Contracts don't seem to mean much to drivers these days, not just Elliott.
Moosie, I have done my research. There is certainly an element of splitting hairs here. Both Busch and MacMurray actually signed their new contracts to begin AFTER the ending of the (then) current contracts with Roush and Ganassi/Sabates. Yes, leaving early was discussed, but both of those drivers were adamant that they intended to fulfill the terms of their current contracts, as written. It was worked out the Jamie could leave early, and it, in my personal opinion, was danged convenient that Busch had the infamous issue in Phoenix, and Jack gave Kurt an early out. Unlike Sadler, who asked out of both of his contracts while he has two and half years remaining. In MY PERSONAL OPINION they did nothing wrong, but then that is again the splitting hairs issue. (By the way, I am going to assume that you made a mistake when mentioning RICHARD as giving JAMIE a release, as it was CHIP Ganassi who Jamie had to ‘get the release from.’ I am sure that you just made an error there, since you have done your research!)

And to answer your other question about the $15 SFC... I had problems and issues with the SFC myself. I'm sure YOU know all of this because you've been "lurking at Elliott's for months" as you told others. I had given my credit card information and had signed up to post on the boards. I posted off and on for a month. Then the boards were purged. I saw where the administrator said you may have to re-register and I did re-register times but could not post. I kept emailing and emailing them. Finally a month later, I received a response that you had to PAY for the membership in order to post. I had explained I had given my information. I checked my bank info and it was never deducted. I was very aggravated and decided I didn't need to post there. I have heard Elliott's family does his fan membership and web site stuff but I wasn't pleased with the way it was run.

We, at last, agree on something! The way the board changeover was handled caused quite a few issues. You were not the only one who had issues with getting back there. I too think that there were many ways they could handled that better. However, and don’t take offense at this, but there are some that would say you are not a ‘true fan’ if you didn’t go through the pain of the registration to join. Now, that is not MY opinion, but from what I read, there are lots of definitions of “true fans” “real fans” and “huge fans”. If you were a fan several years ago, back in the earliest days, you would understand why there are some ‘long time fans’ who are not happy with the way the Sadlers have treated them. Again, not right or wrong, but their feelings and emotions are as legitimate as yours.

Now let's talk about the words you have used at NOL and here about "respect, honesty and morals". You said this to me... "Try thinking past that, and realize that just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are automatically out to get you. I hear the little blue pills will help that!" Perhaps the little blue pills were not the right ones? LOL! Ok, that was a cheap shot on my part, AND I ADMIT IT. But, I have been looking at the posts over there and here on Phil’s blog, and you were accusing poor Jimbo for being someone who he is not! I look at your comments about Jimbo (or as you so nicely called him JUMBO) being that Paul Tracy person, and I have to laugh! You then go in and search everyone who has signed in, and even think Phil Collins is part of the conspiracy. Honestly, it is not about you! If your past history with the Robby fan has you immediately prickly and defensive, then I do not see how anyone can have a civil conversation with you. It is not all about you. All, I can say is, that PK guy has your number, and knows exactly what buttons to push, and you also know his. I will never back down on the fact that disagreement with your viewpoint does not automatically guarantee that someone is targeting YOU! As far as using the words respect, Respect has to be EARNED.


Your very first post addressed the "long-winded anon types" (which was about the 2nd reply after mine so I guess you were talking about me). In previous posts on here, you criticize posters for saying "you people" yet in the very first sentence of your post, you are already calling names and "judging" others. You then tell me about "little blue pills". It seems there is a bit of hypocrisy in your words. It's okay for you to be rude and attackful in YOUR posts yet you have the nerve to preach to others about morals, honesty, respect and pre-judging. That's a bit hypocritical, don't you think? Instead of pointing out the speck in your neighbor's eye, try removing the plank in your own eye. At any rate, don't preach to others about judging then begin YOUR posts attacking others and calling them "long-winded and anon". Practice what you preach, "Honey". If you want others to respect your opinion and your dear friend Phil's, then I strongly suggest you keep your name calling, sarcasm and rudeness to yourself, Deary.

Well, you WERE one who I was responding to, but you are not the only one. If you read earlier posts, you saw that I said the same to some others. Any responses I have given to you with ‘terms of endearment’, such as sweetie, honey, etc, were a response to stuff started by you at the other board. I assumed that it was ok to use them, as you were using them yourself. (Funny, I see some edits over there, I guess those are gone now, along with the Jumbo comments.) As far as prejudging, did you not start that by assuming the Jimbo person was the “-PTKAwhoevertheheckheis” person was! Again, it is not about you. There are indeed others in this world who have different view points. And if you choose to ignore Jimbo, fine! But for someone who supposedly has him on ignore you seem to respond to him a lot!

As far as the "overlooking the Jimmie thing" in your post. I have no clue what you are referring to unless it's to Jimmie and Chad "cheating". I am so sorry that I did not explain this properly, this was not about you, or targeted to you. Being in parenthesis, it was actually an aside to Phil. You see, I have known Phil for years. We lost track of each other for a bit, but when I read his OTHER blogs I discovered he was becoming a Jimmie fan. I am only shocked because this is ...just... so...different...from the Phil I knew! I actually admire that Hendrick has three of their teams currently in the top ten. While they are not my favorite drivers, I have nothing against them. Again, this was not about you!

Interesting seeing that you have a 29 in your username at NOL. Am I to assume you are a Harvick fan? Now, are you just "overlooking" Todd Barrier's admission that he not only and I quote "rigged the fuel cell and I'll do it again" or have you simply forgotten? Well, I am not sure why you would assume that because I am a Harvick fan, I am overlooking the Berrier issue. I was in Vegas when the whole fuel cell issue was discovered, and was I embarrassed? NO! Could I explain it? NO. But nowhere will you find anything from me that says I agreed with it. In fact, I was one of the first to say “what they hell was he thinking!” I am also a fan of ...gasp...Tony! But I will say that the things I like about those two drivers are also the exact things I don’t like about them. AND, I will reinforce that I think that when one sees them, they are not being PC, but WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get.) Some drivers spout the PC stuff so much you don’t know what to believe. Tony and Kevin and Robby are NOT PC, and I respect them for that. It does not mean I always like what they do or say, but I respect they have opinions against the norm. And, everyone one of the above are delightful with fans, which makes me give them extra points. (I wish I could say the same about Sadler. I witnessed a fan interaction with him that was NOT nice.)

Now, to take a different tangent. Why is being a Robby fan so bad? Why is being a Kevin fan so bad? Why is being a (insert driver here) so bad? Earlier comments labeled me as being rude and obnoxious just because I have an identity with them. I am sorry if others you have met along the way have prejudiced you against all of their fans. Perhaps you are feeling defensive about being a Sadler fan. But to make assumptions that we must be Robby/Kevin fans and that makes us rude and obnoxious is laughable.

My main deal is that I hate to be blindly following my drivers and assuming that all they do is correct. I prefer conversation and debate, rather than a public declaration of who is right without any argument to back it up. I understand that I may never get you to see my side of it. I would hope that you could think about i ...just a bit. But if not...whatever! But, I have the greatest respect for those who can debate logically, and then still have the ability to turn around and say “I don’t agree with what you said, but gosh it was fun discussing it!” Phil happens to be one those types. I want to wring his neck sometimes, but we have fun discussing stuff with each other. He forces me to come into an arguement prepared. Jimbo seems to be similar.


Moosie244819 - (Look, I'm not anonymous. I have a name. Happy now?) Well, actually, yes I am.
But remember this post at the NOL board?


.17459 in reply to 1.17456 PLUS, I just went to good ole Phil's blog and copied and pasted the article from NOL with direct quotes from Robert Yates. Let's see if he adds it to his blog and let's see THEN who the liar is.
hehehe!


But I would be happier if you would at least acknowledge that Phil has posted every one of your comments. If there is one that he has not, then call him out on it! But, as far as the “let's see THEN who the liar is”, I can’t see where he has lied.

And Moosie, when you are not slinging ‘da stuff’ back at people who disagree with you, you actually have some very good things to say. Perhaps you should join the larger world of Blogs. You could say a lot without the constraints of a message board. Phil is actually a role model for you. You may disagree strongly with him, but yet he still posts what you have to say. Try it, you might like it!
But, if you don't, whatever. Either way, there is a world beyond message boards and blogs.

And, look, I have no desire to continue this. I am leaving tomorrow for a well-earned vacation. Have a good holiday, everyone, and let’s hope the Fontana track produces good racing with full stands! And if not, for heavens sake, let’s get another date at Kansas! Or at least Vegas!

Anonymous said...

Wow! notice most of the neg. comments about Elliott are from males! They are jealous because he is so hot!!

Anonymous said...

Well, I think most of the guys, and some of the gals, are more interested in watching a driver who acts like a man, not a whiney child!